WePlay! Bukovel Minor 2020 Playoffs / Grand Final Round 4 Royal Never Give Up vs Nigma / Post-Match Discussion

## [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”)Royal Never Give Up 1-3 Nigma[](/logo-dota “Nigma”)

[Spoiler-Free VODS](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotaVods/comments/dwx4g2/mdl_chengdu_major_2019/) [Event Details](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Mars_Dota_2_League/Chengdu_Major/2019)
## **Game 1**
## [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)Nigma 12-28 Royal Never Give Up[](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”)
## [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”)Royal Never Give Up[](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”) Victory
## 00:38:39
| [](/logo-dota “Nigma”) | Bans | Dire | [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”)
| — | — | — | —
| 1 | [](/hero-doom “Doom”)[](/hero-io “Io”)[](/hero-slark “Slark”) | [](/hero-naturesprophet “Nature’s Prophet”)[](/hero-lich “Lich”)[](/hero-eldertitan “Elder Titan”) | 1
| 2 | [](/hero-vengefulspirit “Vengeful Spirit”)[](/hero-ancientapparition “Ancient Apparition”) | [](/hero-queenofpain “Queen of Pain”)[](/hero-viper “Viper”) | 2
| 3 | [](/hero-timbersaw “Timbersaw”) | [](/hero-phantomlancer “Phantom Lancer”) | 3

| [](/logo-dota “Nigma”) | Picks | Dire | [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”)
| — | — | — | —
| 1 | [](/hero-abaddon “Abaddon”)[](/hero-omniknight “Omniknight”) | [](/hero-treantprotector “Treant Protector”)[](/hero-outworlddevourer “Outworld Devourer”) | 1
| 2 | [](/hero-huskar “Huskar”)[](/hero-rubick “Rubick”) | [](/hero-shadowdemon “Shadow Demon”)[](/hero-drowranger “Drow Ranger”) | 2
| 3 | [](/hero-alchemist “Alchemist”) | [](/hero-centaurwarrunner “Centaur Warrunner”) | 3

| Hero | Player | Level | K/D/A | GPM/XPM | LH/D | Net Worth | Hero Damage | Hero Healing | Tower Damage
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | —
| [](/hero-alchemist “Alchemist”) | Miracle- | 21 | 2/7/1 | 845/494 | 381/15 | 29015 | 10334 | 0 | 366
| [](/hero-omniknight “Omniknight”) | MinD_ContRoL | 17 | 0/5/3 | 355/365 | 139/19 | 13563 | 2658 | 2429 | 395
| [](/hero-abaddon “Abaddon”) | KuroKy | 14 | 0/6/6 | 211/253 | 30/1 | 8044 | 3617 | 5175 | 0
| [](/hero-rubick “Rubick”) | Gh | 17 | 2/4/7 | 279/358 | 93/2 | 9708 | 9769 | 142 | 0
| [](/hero-huskar “Huskar”) | w33 | 20 | 8/6/1 | 483/487 | 270/26 | 17431 | 15138 | 0 | 3392
| | | | | |
| [](/hero-shadowdemon “Shadow Demon”) | Super | 19 | 1/5/20 | 261/414 | 31/5 | 9863 | 8297 | 3 | 458
| [](/hero-drowranger “Drow Ranger”) | Monet | 25 | 10/1/15 | 649/724 | 353/20 | 28686 | 16190 | 0 | 5086
| [](/hero-treantprotector “Treant Protector”) | September | 21 | 2/1/22 | 317/519 | 85/11 | 13393 | 10555 | 1033 | 1066
| [](/hero-centaurwarrunner “Centaur Warrunner”) | Flywin | 24 | 6/2/16 | 521/683 | 294/27 | 21763 | 8470 | 0 | 3111
| [](/hero-outworlddevourer “Outworld Devourer”) | Setsu | 25 | 9/3/13 | 596/736 | 364/21 | 23983 | 17237 | 0 | 1623

Detailed stats: [Dotabuff](https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5194676025) | [Opendota](https://www.opendota.com/matches/5194676025) | [Datdota](http://datdota.com/matches/5194676025) | [Stratz](https://stratz.com/en-us/match/5194676025)

## Clips
* [A double fking kill ft. Tobi](https://clips.twitch.tv/PolishedSpoopyPterodactylOMGScoots)
* [Nigma: The bois are back](https://clips.twitch.tv/ElegantEsteemedTermiteFreakinStinkin?tt_medium=redt)
* [W33ha’s insane huskar turnaround. Tobi loses it](https://clips.twitch.tv/GiantEvilDoveNerfBlueBlaster)
* [w33 with great toggling resulting in 4 kills](https://clips.twitch.tv/JazzyAstuteCheeseTakeNRG?tt_medium=redt)
* [W33 with the quality armlet toggle outplay against RNG – WePlay! Bukovel Minor Grand Finals](https://clips.twitch.tv/LitigiousObliviousCoyoteRuleFive)

## **Game 2**
## [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”)Royal Never Give Up 36-38 Nigma[](/logo-dota “Nigma”)
## [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)Nigma[](/logo-dota “Nigma”) Victory
## 01:20:58
| [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”) | Bans | Dire | [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)
| — | — | — | —
| 1 | [](/hero-io “Io”)[](/hero-lich “Lich”)[](/hero-eldertitan “Elder Titan”) | [](/hero-puck “Puck”)[](/hero-treantprotector “Treant Protector”)[](/hero-omniknight “Omniknight”) | 1
| 2 | [](/hero-huskar “Huskar”)[](/hero-templarassassin “Templar Assassin”) | [](/hero-outworlddevourer “Outworld Devourer”)[](/hero-emberspirit “Ember Spirit”) | 2
| 3 | [](/hero-viper “Viper”) | [](/hero-zeus “Zeus”) | 3

| [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”) | Picks | Dire | [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)
| — | — | — | —
| 1 | [](/hero-doom “Doom”)[](/hero-rubick “Rubick”) | [](/hero-abaddon “Abaddon”)[](/hero-phantomlancer “Phantom Lancer”) | 1
| 2 | [](/hero-abyssalunderlord “Underlord”)[](/hero-lifestealer “Lifestealer”) | [](/hero-earthshaker “Earthshaker”)[](/hero-batrider “Batrider”) | 2
| 3 | [](/hero-queenofpain “Queen of Pain”) | [](/hero-windranger “Windranger”) | 3

| Hero | Player | Level | K/D/A | GPM/XPM | LH/D | Net Worth | Hero Damage | Hero Healing | Tower Damage
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | —
| [](/hero-rubick “Rubick”) | Super | 27 | 4/8/24 | 257/453 | 93/8 | 19846 | 10301 | 148 | 187
| [](/hero-lifestealer “Lifestealer”) | Monet | 30 | 12/5/17 | 655/651 | 790/42 | 48683 | 24054 | 1085 | 6756
| [](/hero-queenofpain “Queen of Pain”) | Setsu | 30 | 11/7/21 | 583/720 | 687/50 | 40001 | 29036 | 0 | 3031
| [](/hero-abyssalunderlord “Underlord”) | Flywin | 28 | 5/8/25 | 443/625 | 477/13 | 29578 | 15930 | 0 | 1328
| [](/hero-doom “Doom”) | September | 27 | 4/10/18 | 398/558 | 143/8 | 25189 | 11348 | 0 | 99
| | | | | |
| [](/hero-phantomlancer “Phantom Lancer”) | Miracle- | 30 | 14/4/16 | 795/670 | 1019/19 | 65077 | 26718 | 0 | 10542
| [](/hero-abaddon “Abaddon”) | MinD_ContRoL | 30 | 2/6/20 | 454/557 | 391/16 | 36971 | 12816 | 7702 | 3497
| [](/hero-batrider “Batrider”) | KuroKy | 27 | 7/11/13 | 372/430 | 128/11 | 25647 | 8979 | 0 | 0
| [](/hero-earthshaker “Earthshaker”) | Gh | 27 | 3/7/21 | 330/402 | 194/1 | 23187 | 11573 | 319 | 193
| [](/hero-windranger “Windranger”) | w33 | 30 | 12/8/14 | 483/553 | 437/19 | 33204 | 21087 | 0 | 1439

Detailed stats: [Dotabuff](https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5194743733) | [Opendota](https://www.opendota.com/matches/5194743733) | [Datdota](http://datdota.com/matches/5194743733) | [Stratz](https://stratz.com/en-us/match/5194743733)

## Clips
* [First 70 min item in pro game!](https://clips.twitch.tv/FilthyMildCardDogFace)
* [Final moments of game 2](https://clips.twitch.tv/ImportantDaintyHorseWow)
* [Miracle- The Unkillable Raid Boss!](https://clips.twitch.tv/PleasantKitschyIguanaFunRun)

## **Game 3**
## [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”)Royal Never Give Up 11-25 Nigma[](/logo-dota “Nigma”)
## [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)Nigma[](/logo-dota “Nigma”) Victory
## 00:23:19
| [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”) | Bans | Dire | [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)
| — | — | — | —
| 1 | [](/hero-io “Io”)[](/hero-lich “Lich”)[](/hero-abaddon “Abaddon”) | [](/hero-treantprotector “Treant Protector”)[](/hero-puck “Puck”)[](/hero-omniknight “Omniknight”) | 1
| 2 | [](/hero-slark “Slark”)[](/hero-naturesprophet “Nature’s Prophet”) | [](/hero-lifestealer “Lifestealer”)[](/hero-outworlddevourer “Outworld Devourer”) | 2
| 3 | [](/hero-huskar “Huskar”) | [](/hero-emberspirit “Ember Spirit”) | 3

| [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”) | Picks | Dire | [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)
| — | — | — | —
| 1 | [](/hero-legioncommander “Legion Commander”)[](/hero-disruptor “Disruptor”) | [](/hero-doom “Doom”)[](/hero-eldertitan “Elder Titan”) | 1
| 2 | [](/hero-vengefulspirit “Vengeful Spirit”)[](/hero-drowranger “Drow Ranger”) | [](/hero-winterwyvern “Winter Wyvern”)[](/hero-phantomlancer “Phantom Lancer”) | 2
| 3 | [](/hero-stormspirit “Storm Spirit”) | [](/hero-templarassassin “Templar Assassin”) | 3

| Hero | Player | Level | K/D/A | GPM/XPM | LH/D | Net Worth | Hero Damage | Hero Healing | Tower Damage
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | —
| [](/hero-vengefulspirit “Vengeful Spirit”) | Super | 9 | 3/6/5 | 197/217 | 9/6 | 4941 | 4121 | 265 | 101
| [](/hero-drowranger “Drow Ranger”) | Monet | 14 | 1/5/5 | 369/409 | 156/16 | 8756 | 6729 | 0 | 394
| [](/hero-stormspirit “Storm Spirit”) | Setsu | 15 | 1/5/3 | 413/464 | 158/17 | 9525 | 5284 | 0 | 167
| [](/hero-legioncommander “Legion Commander”) | Flywin | 14 | 4/4/3 | 369/437 | 119/13 | 8386 | 7716 | 973 | 71
| [](/hero-disruptor “Disruptor”) | September | 13 | 2/5/6 | 236/359 | 32/8 | 5801 | 5318 | 0 | 71
| | | | | |
| [](/hero-phantomlancer “Phantom Lancer”) | Miracle- | 17 | 11/1/5 | 587/593 | 167/13 | 14804 | 13186 | 0 | 2937
| [](/hero-doom “Doom”) | MinD_ContRoL | 16 | 3/4/12 | 439/535 | 108/8 | 11324 | 7862 | 0 | 183
| [](/hero-winterwyvern “Winter Wyvern”) | KuroKy | 13 | 3/3/13 | 326/374 | 32/4 | 8038 | 5605 | 986 | 170
| [](/hero-eldertitan “Elder Titan”) | Gh | 12 | 4/2/12 | 287/318 | 25/3 | 7282 | 8388 | 281 | 0
| [](/hero-templarassassin “Templar Assassin”) | w33 | 19 | 4/1/7 | 563/697 | 237/7 | 13875 | 10020 | 0 | 3868

Detailed stats: [Dotabuff](https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5194823534) | [Opendota](https://www.opendota.com/matches/5194823534) | [Datdota](http://datdota.com/matches/5194823534) | [Stratz](https://stratz.com/en-us/match/5194823534)

## **Game 4**
## [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”)Royal Never Give Up 20-25 Nigma[](/logo-dota “Nigma”)
## [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)Nigma[](/logo-dota “Nigma”) Victory
## 01:04:50
| [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”) | Bans | Dire | [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)
| — | — | — | —
| 1 | [](/hero-lich “Lich”)[](/hero-phantomlancer “Phantom Lancer”)[](/hero-eldertitan “Elder Titan”) | [](/hero-io “Io”)[](/hero-treantprotector “Treant Protector”)[](/hero-puck “Puck”) | 1
| 2 | [](/hero-slark “Slark”)[](/hero-huskar “Huskar”) | [](/hero-lifestealer “Lifestealer”)[](/hero-templarassassin “Templar Assassin”) | 2
| 3 | [](/hero-batrider “Batrider”) | [](/hero-winterwyvern “Winter Wyvern”) | 3

| [](/logo-rng “Royal Never Give Up”) | Picks | Dire | [](/logo-dota “Nigma”)
| — | — | — | —
| 1 | [](/hero-doom “Doom”)[](/hero-omniknight “Omniknight”) | [](/hero-abaddon “Abaddon”)[](/hero-earthshaker “Earthshaker”) | 1
| 2 | [](/hero-queenofpain “Queen of Pain”)[](/hero-spectre “Spectre”) | [](/hero-outworlddevourer “Outworld Devourer”)[](/hero-drowranger “Drow Ranger”) | 2
| 3 | [](/hero-chen “Chen”) | [](/hero-darkseer “Dark Seer”) | 3

| Hero | Player | Level | K/D/A | GPM/XPM | LH/D | Net Worth | Hero Damage | Hero Healing | Tower Damage
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | —
| [](/hero-chen “Chen”) | Super | 24 | 2/6/13 | 334/398 | 132/2 | 21438 | 7053 | 6067 | 1877
| [](/hero-spectre “Spectre”) | Monet | 28 | 6/3/12 | 707/697 | 679/39 | 38851 | 32346 | 0 | 4563
| [](/hero-queenofpain “Queen of Pain”) | Setsu | 29 | 6/5/8 | 697/644 | 714/37 | 38758 | 24353 | 0 | 3880
| [](/hero-omniknight “Omniknight”) | Flywin | 25 | 1/5/12 | 392/437 | 222/11 | 23793 | 5405 | 2546 | 892
| [](/hero-doom “Doom”) | September | 24 | 4/6/9 | 446/427 | 107/3 | 23980 | 10233 | 163 | 23
| | | | | |
| [](/hero-drowranger “Drow Ranger”) | Miracle- | 29 | 12/3/10 | 700/579 | 689/43 | 47007 | 26503 | 0 | 5622
| [](/hero-darkseer “Dark Seer”) | MinD_ContRoL | 27 | 4/4/17 | 441/542 | 372/1 | 31535 | 8447 | 3569 | 619
| [](/hero-abaddon “Abaddon”) | KuroKy | 25 | 3/5/19 | 300/432 | 85/8 | 19578 | 6223 | 10046 | 265
| [](/hero-earthshaker “Earthshaker”) | Gh | 27 | 1/4/22 | 307/540 | 143/1 | 20648 | 9500 | 0 | 673
| [](/hero-outworlddevourer “Outworld Devourer”) | w33 | 27 | 5/4/13 | 497/490 | 481/17 | 32772 | 18036 | 0 | 389

Detailed stats: [Dotabuff](https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5194853912) | [Opendota](https://www.opendota.com/matches/5194853912) | [Datdota](http://datdota.com/matches/5194853912) | [Stratz](https://stratz.com/en-us/match/5194853912)

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37 COMMENTS

  1. Nigma had excellent late game play down freaking 40-45k gold but man did it feel like rng not play that right. Inconsequential dooms, ga’s that were a little random, and qop was just a nonfactor i think she aoe feared maybe a handful of times.

    On the other side, god like vac echoes by gh and mc, they singlehandedly kept them in the game after the top push and kuro doing his best to sustain miracle and w33.

  2. I find it super frustrating that people keep acknowledging GH’s ES echos but don’t respect the game that MC played. Those vacuums were what made the comeback. It’s easier to click dagger and ulti than to find a timing and position to vacuum 5 heroes.

  3. The mental fortitude of Nigma is beyond comprehension. I don’t see them tilt even when they lost TI Grand Finals. They hugged and complimented each other. Ridiculous.

  4. RNG building an aghs instead of abyssal on spec and them not buying 1 euls is the reason they lost…if they had a euls mid game to combat the surge they could have easily steam rolled the game and not let the doomed target get away like 5 times lol…

  5. Wow huge props to Nigma for staying mentally in the game and not giving up in games 2 and 4 when down 30k net worth.

    At the same time how many dooms did Semptember waste to Linkens procs in game 4? 3-4 at least. Major chokes from RNG.

  6. 2 AM FIREWORKS LOL

    Nigma struggled the beginning of the tournament, like really hard. Feel like w33s hero pool is a cause for concern. Glad they could put it together.

  7. Feels like both teams were tired towards the end but Nigma was more zoned in due to the amount of DotA they’ve played through the day, and their previous LB run experience.

    I think RNG played way too passively after that top push, once they have the Spec bb up again they should’ve been more aggressive, letting Nigma get some items/levels up made the nw lead less relevant and eventually their no stun line up backfired. Poor itemization from both Queen and Spec. They missed multiple kills early on due to the former not having Eul/Scythe and the latter not building abyssal also made Surge their antidote.

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